In fact, their lack of understanding of social cues, situations, and intentions can make many of them more likely to manipulate even if it isnt entirely intentional.

Be found at the exact moment they are searching. Research indicates that autism has strong connections with PTSD in two important ways. Hes a loner and so am I so I thought wed be compatible. Joanna.

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Autism also resides on a spectrum.

People making excuses for Narcissists, hiding what they are behind Aspergers, which is not something to joke about, need to stop.

I thought the list was a bit one-dimensional and generalizing, in fact.

I havent had the courage to put myself back out there since an adult diagnosis because I want to get things right and dont feel Im ready. I have also been a little different, not to his degree but do know how difficult growing up and living like that can be.

I know I have this gift as it comes easily to me if I need to use it, and I have needed to use it from time to time, to protect myself and to guide another if they were willing to look deeply into themselves and their background. All it did was turn everyone against me even more.

I wish you luck with your maturation as time moves on.

My way to determine the difference is via the behaviour called gasslighting.

I was convinced my husband is a narc and left him because of it.

There is definitely overlap between the two based on this article and we need to look at people who may be both narcisistic and on the spectrum. This has happened to me several times.

Yes both types are egocentric and lacking in empathy but it seems to me the motives and methods are almost completely opposite. He is a generous man and good fun to be with but six months was a short time to evaluate the relationship.

He loves history with a laser focus and when we go places Im expected to show the same level of interest he has or he thinks were not compatible. He made me cut ties with a lot of my friends shortly after we got together, because of them being aware of my sexual past, because of him feeling ashamed of me, and being associated with someone whod done certain things. As regards your husband, step back, take a good look, you will soon work out if hes worth it or not.

What I have learned is he is who he is and he will never change.

There was a wait to get in but in the end it has been well worth it. I ahd to return to him and now think he is in fact autistic but had a very narc mother and grandmother who he learned to relate from in other words he plays by their rules because that is all he knows. and that is, yes, the non-biochemical, non-material aspects and also non-spiritual Now I know for sure Ive fibromyalgia and Im dealing with it alone. Its when they dropped the food with my in tears crying cauz i was seeing food i locked the moment in my head never forget who you live with.. never forget the truth never forget .

He was a very hands on dad, but always felt like he wasnt good enough not understanding himself with aspergers. Any assistance with this will be highly appreciated and therapeutic for me. People with mental disorders, sicknesses and what not they are not going so bad because of their own the world.. society.. narcs.. healthcare.. everyone is set to destroy them and finish them off directly or indirectly pushing them to suicide. This doesnt always mean divorce but you do have to develope self worth in spades.

She was diagnosed only two years ago and is now 34.

I am working on how to ignore his behavior and concentrate TOTALLY on my own happiness.

People are not.. really smart in general, sorry for straight talking. I told her it was rooted in her traumatic past and are the primary reasons that she treated people who cared about her poorly.

On the general issue what is most tragic about all these discussions, as well as the reality of the negative people and the denial of causes physical and otherwise is that these victims on both sides of abuse are using the language of the psychologist and psychiatrist you havent realised that they are your enemy to be simplistic because theyre false narrative is trapping you from getting help for yourself or the family Narcs if only they could self-destroy each other instead of trying to beat the few good people that are left in this world haa :(. Now they act as those never existed.

My partner of 8yrs feels told me he was aspergers, but looking at those charts, I think hes probably 1/3 narcissist. He is happy for me to do this but not in our home, especially when he is around or knows about it.

2. When others succeed.

For that matter, people who get enough sleep, sunshine and fresh air?

Can I please get a clarification here? I however also suspect him of being a narcissist. Our story is very sad and very damaging, but we didnt know that growing up, as we had to survive our family chaos.

It is a neurologically caused developmental condition. My husband certainly does.

What do narcissists get out of hurting you or making you mad?

I apologise for this being so long, but its a huge subject with a lot of traps for the unwary.

Very much what he wants and not much what you want.

What prompted me, was that I have another daughter with three children, two recently diagnosed with autism.

People here are depressing not just because they suffer but because they are accepting the lie that this is normal. While I absolutely LOVE being right and will happily crow about it when I am, I am actually more interested in finding THE TRUTH than in being right and I can readily admit to being wrong or making a mistake.

People with narcissistic and otherwise dark personality traits (hereafter narcissists) pretend to be many things by twisting the truth and creating falsehoods.

Lol cauz if narcs feed of peoples misery i dont.

Yes, autism is not easy to understand, but learning about it helps with understanding where that person on the spectrum is, and makes for a far easier life. I should be.. i dont know, depressed?

Like he has some wiring thats off and doesnt realize it.

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Maybe I shouldnt. As far as possible I stay away from him and try to remember not to start a conversation. I also put in a huge amount of effort to let him know he was number 1 and no one would take his place.

He is capable of being quite charming when he wants to be and has three lady friends who think he is wonderful. Hes affectionate towards me and can be social with strangers but doesnt seem to have many friends.

I call my mother i tell her about the 5k.. im thinking about therapies, ways to help myself.

Thank you so much. A tribe can not afford narcissists which means it isnt human, of nature. Ive read Frederics contribution and the confusion and anger he expresses is difficult to read.

Im not perfect either but telling him my point of view or that you feel left out or asking for the same emotional support I give him (my daughter is going through tremendous health problems) shouldnt be called a lecture. My first marriage was to my highschool sweetheard who I was smitten by from the minute I saw him the school playground at the age of 15.

A few times he said I was a good person. When I first met him I thought he talked a lot but he did ask me a few questions about myself and we got along okay.

I believe his Dad AND Grandfather were the same controlling, hurtful type of people.

HELL YA! Perhaps if you did some research yourself on narcissism and manipulation you may get a better sense of whether this is happening to you or not. If you listened closely you could almost hear the choking sound in his voice when he complimented me. Industrial society has encouraged narcissism from the start each level of so called progress, is actually only progress toward pure narcissism all round. So i could spend all year giving all the examples that proves my point.. no therapist or psy ever acknowledged my story. This will require patience and perseverance.

He intentionally ruined an 18 year old's party." My life is ruined, i live in a foundation for autistic adults that had.. my life.

Take care with this as you may need support when you tackle this issue. I found it very difficult to find someone that would diagnose adult autism. This article is painfully outdated and misinformed about autism which makes me question the other things it says too (though not everything is wrong).

I had to read up on why this man was different & now I understand him a lot better!

But hes manipulative & very Nasty, when we have words and always blames me for everything within the conversation , if I make a comment he takes it a derogatory comment towards him & after 25yrs Ive learnt how to word my comments, as I know he doesnt take the blame he has the ability to make you believe everything that said is my fault ( he was like that with his 1st wife ) but cannot see it .

As I said previously I have a daughter (unmarried) who has high functioning autism, I have another daughter who doesnt have autism, but has two children with it. She lives with me.

It was amusing when I read your sentence think of all the mean things hes done to you, not the good things. and my immediate thought was, what good things?

We have both worked hard to make our marriage work but I felt so hurt today when he seemed anxious because my sister came to visit me, I have just had a major operation and she came over to give me some company and was gone before he got home.

I am aware there is no known info whether or not it is hereditary but always wondered because of others in our family with it. He was talking one day about his job and pedophiles came up and I mentioned Id been molested as a child.

Then there is the story of the post-trauma. God I HOPE SO!!!. He clearly resents that.

people with autism are not identical in their behavior.

Dont expect them in your relationship with the person with narcissism. What an awful thing to say to someone trying to recover from narcissism.

This disrupts her organised thought patterns and she goes into meltdown. Life is smoother now I know where she is coming from. All I suggest Jean, is that you do as much research on both these subjects as possible to put you own mind at rest.

But @ times he really gets to me & upsets me with his behaviour ! They likely have an inflated

WebTo be an effective narcissist, you have to have some excess mental energy for exploitation, and autism can be draining, so it often doesn't come in a particularly hard-hitting combo. I tick many of the boxes of the list in this article and its so confusing. WebNarcissism can be defined as an excessive love of oneself it often leads those affected by this personality issue to lack empathy towards other people which could lead them down a pretty bad path in life if they dont learn how to manage these emotions properly. He says theres no sex and professes confusion as to why that would bother me. Shes not trying to be mean.

I didnt want to hurt them or have children that would end up like me.

As to empathy, that of course is the ability to put yourself in another persons situation (or shoes ! ) My brother stopped communicating with me.

You have to change yourself, of course with Gods great help and leading. I may be wrong but from what I have read it appears you are still putting others ahead of your own happiness. The problem is I know my father is an narcissist, I have thought that for many years. These books came from our local library and were suggest by a teacher who taught at a one teacher school and had to deal with an autistic child.

We must consider that individuals can be both. So good luck to anyone whos in the same situation as myself. My stuggle is how do I cope with this? or do these people require comorbidities with NPD (ASPD) and/or BPD to hoover? Recognize that your partner may derive pleasure from hurting you. also, autistic people, like every other type of human being, ARE capable of intentionally hurting the feelings of their loved ones.

at this point I feel like Im over accomodating to his needs and not getting my own needs met.

Your partner will probably not be able to do the things that are important to youat least not in a satisfying manner.

Weve been married 32 years and I was a therapist for 20 of those years.

Our grandson has a milder case but enough where you can tell he is in his own wonderful world. the actual psychology .

Sorry for carrying on but he has traits on both sides of that list and I dont know what to do.

she left.

Both NPD and Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) exist in the DSM-5 (manual of mental disorders).

Narcissism Thrives on chaos, disorder. Good luck but definitely question his actions in your own mind if you feel they are not right.

You dont need a religion to know that demonic possession is real, just because materialism denies it.

I now know to be specific with the times if we are going out and not change them suddenly.

Schizo.

I have lost count of how many emails I have sent, doors knocked, letters posted, complaints to councils made, about the noise neighbours we have had make. I believe that is always possible. I do not understand why people do not play fair or how anyone could willing hurt or gain pleasure from deliberately hurting another human being.

I dont intentionally do these things, but the result is the same: hurting the one person I have in my life (I dont have friends or family aside from her). As I began to read it helped me greatly to understand our situation and how it had got to this place. However after a while new events/situations became more frequent, and I had no clue or understanding to respond to them same outcome, she left.

Here is a link that gives quite a good explanation: autismspectrum.org.au/sites/default/files/Vic/The%20DSM%205%20Autism%20Spectrum%20Disorder%20criteria.pdf It appears mirror neurons also play a role in personality condition-related issues. Psychiatrists say its me that learned, for survival, to mimic my family, my parents. If they do this, then they are Narcissistic, if they dont then it is Asbergers.

Im super confused for myself right now (and how narcissistic is that right out of the gate!!). He has qualities from both sides of the chart straight from the top to the bottom. please allow this thought (it is a fact to the normal smart person but it could get you censored online to mention it) The narcissist harms other people because they are harmed themselves.

Hes extremely intelligent, honest and dependable. I asked him if it was over and he said hed let me know. I did wonder whether someone could have both which is what brought me to this page.

I cant even be sure where im on the parts of the list but im truly egoistic. Narcissistic Personality Disorder exists on a spectrum.

I developped a 6th sense for dealing with narcs.

What I miss most is mature, non agressive companionship and normal discussions which do not become arguments which he has to win.

This often results in boys with low self-esteem and an inability to express themselves freely without fear of judgement.

All the self help books provide the type of suggestions suitable for a 35 50 year old still in work, with children and friends and a reasonable partner, who is thought to be wanting to get on and achieve goals My only goal is to get through another day.

We all have our problems, and sin.

If you can sense this in a partner and you see enough of them to love them then its worth a try. I have also recently realised that there is a recognised name for how my hub makes me feel energy vampire . I let the way that others treat me and respond around me dictate how I then think and feel about myself.

that its my fault that bla bla.. they tortured me.. guilt trip me.. they enjoyed the god dam narcs they knew they wouldnt have more chances after THEN after days saying they had no found.. that it was useless to ask after 1 hour with me on 10 days empty stomach.. dizzy and all lost they popped food and lied telling me my other therapist was bringing me to food bank last time but i missed the appointment (trying to earn money online to eat!) I was not looking for another relationship and did not date other men as I thought I had had my chance at marriage.

He is not classically autistic he was just diagnosed with autism 26 years ago. My child has been diagnosed as being Autistic. I really struggle with this because codependents are urged to draw boundaries with people who do not meet their emotional needs.

LadyJay you have found what I have found. Over this past couple of years through my unconditional love for him he has come to the realisation that he does have aspergers syndrome and is now starting to understand himself and why he is different to most other people around us.

I am very smart and could rebuild my life maybe im still 38 yo so i could.

I realized he does have some aspects of Aspergers but more of narcissism.

I am confused and broken hearted. I tried to encourage him to get himself assessed but he said he didnt see the point given his age he didnt think it would be beneficial. A COMPLEX TRAUMA TEAM was set up and this turned out to be a life changer where therapy is concerned.

He told me hes leaving to help his ex again knowing how hurt I was the first time.

Drugs, ECT, resting away from the world in a mental hospital did not help.

He is kind, considerate, loving, thoughtful, caring and tells me everyday how much I mean to him and how loved I am. I am also a survivor of pretty horrendous child sexual and physical abuse, starting in my first year of life and going on till puberty (age about 12 or 13) when the perpetrator lost interest in me and turned his attention elsewhere.

Break up and never look back.

He is a truly great person to me just not to others.

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What you are saying definitely makes sense. Rescuing the Inner Child: Therapy for Adults Sexually Abused as Children

Very good, helpful article.

My family story is full to the brim with the human condition and how it can impact the members of an afflicted family. If one reads up about some of the brilliant high functioning autistic people in this world, and individuals that have been perceived to be on the spectrum, some have done some amazing things. This kind of relationship is hellish and I would advise anyone going through it to leave if they are in the earlier stages of their marriage/or life. Is he manipulative, yes. In the past I have family here If he goes away camping for the weekend etc but I want to be able to have my door open for them not just on those occassions. He meets ALL the criteria.

Advices for someone in relationship with narcissist:

There are many dodgy characters that aren Narcissistic or Autistic and the stigma attached is unacceptable. I lived with him for around 38 years and one of the worst things to be experienced is the manipulation and degrading of personal self and loneliness under the barrage of rot they seem to like to dish up. I suffered so much, went down in alcoolism, drugs, compulsive gambling.

I have a very interesting inner life trying and making sense of my life to the present moment but have no idea whether all this info could be used to move therapy to a better place with unarguable regulation for all.

Since mirror neurons are part of the brains social interaction systeminvolved with social cues, imitation, empathy, and the ability to decode intentions of otherssome scientists have found that people on the autism spectrum have a dysfunctional mirror neuron system (University of California, San Diego, 2005).

The answer is that they are. Copyright 2007 - 2023 GoodTherapy, LLC.

Hi Ive been married to a man for 25 yrs Im a lively & sociable 73 & hes 64 , who Ive always believed he is on the Asperger / autistic spectrum (not diagnosed ) he made me so ill with headaches & stress , & im not as vivacious as I used to be because of-my husband . After working with both populations, it is fair to say that people on the Spectrum are vulnerable to NPDs and it is best to educate society on the behaviours of those with NPDs. Thanks so much for helping me.

I have been with my partner for more than 12 years now.

It has concentrated my mind and I have discovered Im HSP, something Id never heard of and Im taking it seriously after the experience I had Lin 2021.

Years and years looking for answers.

We arent all bad people you know. In the beginning he would say inappropriate remarks about other women in front of me telling me I was too sensitive when I asked him not to do that.

My life, is ruined.

You are so right Robin, Its exactly as you say where Id give another chance and the misery would start all over again.

But the way i dealt with my gf in the 15-22 yo period was like a true narc I behaved like my father and i couldnt stand it so after that from 22 to now.. i stayed single, no children.

Good luck.

Hes always been like this even as child he would compete with me and show me how he did things better than me. So how could i tell?

Thought I would add my 2 I have been aware of having Aspergers Syndrome for 18 years (Im 55 now), most of the above is true from a Nuerotypical point of view, I have been married twice, they both failed, after about three years, my first wife just got increasingly frustrated and angry, I became increasingly sad, as I couldnt work out why she was becoming more angry and abusive.

Retrieved from https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-goulston-md/just-listendont-confus_b_316169.html, Kellevision, (2015, August 6). I had spent the past 20 odd years trying to help my husband and felt a tremendous amount of guilt because of things he would say to me. What I have written may not solve what people are experiencing living with individuals with Aspergers or Autism, but it may go a long way to understanding how they think and why some do the things they do and in turn may help solve a few problems.

Im very patient with him.

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When we watch TV, films etc. And it was clear, looking back, his autism was in fact a bit to blame.

I am VERY easy to wind up, tease and upset which absolutely delights the more sadistic narc.

Thats how i dealt with previous therapist that was trying to destroy me same way as my mother was.I had to write down her acitons and words in a general email to the healthcare departmet where she was working to have them and her figure she had fucked up.

I suspect that will be a harder mystery to unpick. Hehe.

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A few months later there was a second flashback.

there I said it, is the world still running?

(seared conscience).

You need to cut the string he has attached to you.

My father was a horrible narcissist, my mother wasnt, I began to take on his traits as these were the most powerful in the house, then one day I realised I didnt want to be like that, I preferred the gentleness, kindness and thoughtfulness of my mother, and hopefully Im still that today as I reach my autumn years. Ive lived with a Narcissist/abuser now for almost 44 years.

I had a deeper understanding regarding the mind and how it stores memories in a very young childs body and this was the key to my brother getting a team of therapists behind him.

I was advised no contact is one of the best ways.

Even if i had multiple therapies, therapists, psychiatrists.

I will certainly go to that site as you suggest because as you can see from my texts I dont know which way is up anymore just that something is not right. I have cut all ties with him.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree your first mistake is to assume aspergers and high functioning autism are the same thing THEY ARE NOT! Yes, there can definitely be a difficulty mixing with ordinary people, it appears to me that there is a deeper and more involved line of thought with someone with aspergers, whereas it is more surface thoughts with the ordinary type of people, unless they actually specialise in a particular subject.

Luckily I was able to find such very excellent therapy for my brother, but more by luck than judgement, believe me.

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